True true, but is it allowed?

I seriously rate wellbourne he may not be the fittness buff or the brightest bloke but if he stuffs up he will tell you and he will explain calls to you rather than other umps on a power trip. I as a player become more understanding when the umpire isn't on his high horse.

If a referee is spoken to in a manner that is disrespectful then really it should be up to the ref to how he responds. As a player what I have a problem with is if you ask a question or approach them in a mannered way why shouldn't you get a mature response to your question. Some refs just don't communicate with you.
I had an instance in a game on tuesday where I went for a steal just before half way there was contact from a player on the opposite team towards me which forced me over the halfway line. Both refs saw what happened but the ref at halfway called it over and back. The other ref then said to me, sorry mate you got screwed on that one. A play later the ref who made the called then apologised to me! If both refs new it was the wrong call what's the problem with changing the call???

without seeing it etc. the ref who made the call had time to reflect to his call might have realised he had made an incorrect decision if it is ten calls later you can't do a thing about it. and passing back errors are a correctable error like not awarding free throws which can be administers if brought to the ref's attention within the correct time frame.

majority of refs will go sorry my mistake and change their decision when they realise it at the time. like calling out of court.

biasbinding - If it happens then you realise you can just say "my bad, that didn't happen the way I first thought" or something like that. It isn't a "correctable error" as in what's in the rule book.

The biggest thing i hate are refs that r on a power trip, which is most of them. you are there to umpire not to make smart comments at players when they ask u what they did wrong. You guys have to get over urselves, its not like ur reffing NBA.

nathan my 'bad' that should have actually read passing backs AREN'T correctable. damn i should check before i send and not do it so much a hurry before the boss sees me mucking around on his time.

Same could be said about some players delicatesen.

then there are the players who
when they make a bad pass it is the person who failed to catch its fault
when they fail to catch the ball it is the person who threw its fault
they never seem to think they lay a hand on anyone yet blind freddy in the stand can see they mauled the player and he/she has been taken to hospital with multiple injuries
the coach is mentally incompentent if they dare take them from the court for even a second of valuable court time
they continue to shoot even when their shooting 3/15 but their poor results are either they got fouled, the wind blew, their hair got in their eyes.

ahhhhhhh there are so few of us that are perfect ;)

TC,

That was me that made the incorrect call, I apologised later when someone explained to me what had happened. I literally turned my head for one second, and sometimes that is all it can take to screw up.

The other ref should really have said to come and talk to me about it, not tell you that you got screwed.

It was in my area and my call to make, that is why the other ref did not intervene. Once again my bad. I was still thinking about that call halfway thru my second game.

No worries mp.

Delicatesen: Most of us don't referee for the 'power', our service is given to provide for a good contest.

Most referees work on the guide that if we are unnoticed at the end of the game then we've done a good job.

Yes and that is the way it should be. But everyone knows that very rarely happens nowdays, im sorry to say it but it is true

I would like to go back to the original post on the thread.

I cannot beleive a player thinks it was fine for him to say enough to a ref for the ref to tell him to "shut up"...but has a major sook when the ref actually told him to "shut up".

You really need to take a long hard look at yourself.

So that was a major sook, Yogee? Ha. Like I said in the original post, it was miniscule and I was just giving an example.

What I said to the ref was something along the lines of, 'call the fouls both ends!' This was after I got hammered in the keyway.

You gotta understand, Yogee, that some refs are pr!cks. In the same situation, most refs wouldn't have said anything.

The question was, going by the rule-books, what are refs allowed to say. Maybe look at the question instead of getting stuck into people aye.

Fair enough.

I am just sick of people wanting to whinge about the refs all the time, and refs have no right of reply.....

Lets see some of thepositive comments about the refs as well.