Anonymous
Years ago

Should we be doing better?

I overheard a conversation last friday, which has resulted in this thread, of an adult telling a player, "well you should have elbowed back".
With the papers of late full of negative reports about our so called sporting heroes, it begs the question, should we be doing better in juniors and if so what?
Poor behaviour is modelled in almost every sport and its replicated in juniors over and over again.
Everything from umpiring perceptions to dirty play has its roots in senior sport and I wonder if most of us perpetuate the proplems by not criticising the examples of poor sportsmanship on show in every sports program we watch.
Australians seem to thrive on the very edge of whats acceptable in sport and more and more kids in basketball seem to be fouling dirty, getting teched, arguing more with decisions which is what they see their heroes do.
Does any one value a sportsperson anymore or only winners at any cost?
How many of us bag the umps on the way home from a game in front of our kids?
How often do you hear a parent bagging an opponent for selfish play or dirty play and are we part of the problem?
In the juniors you are associated with , how many of your team are good sports and how many play the game fairly? Do you think your opposition think you are a clean team? Do you see things that dont belong in our game but occur week in week out?
There seems a fine line between attitude and poor sportsmanship and coaches ,in some cases, appear to prefer the latter and reward players for foul mouths and blatantly dirty play because they want tough players.
Maybe we need to start thinking about some changes in the way we are playing sport and we might get less players going off the rails in later life.

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ouchtoo  
Years ago

This to a degree is represented by a thread 'acceptable or not' which demonstrates a senior player issue. The comments on that thread probably answer some of your questions. But you are on the money - poor behaviour outside the spirit of the game taught / allowed at junior level will in most cases carry though to seniors along with the frustrations and poor anger management associated with it. Most clubs have run at some time a good sports session or similar for junior coaches, players & parents but the ones who you really need to attend just don't go.
This comment does need a response though - 'reward players for foul mouths and blatantly dirty play because they want tough players.' Trust me, you can have tough players in the spirit of the game who have the skills to let their "game do the talking" and who will give anything who are disciplined and fair-minded sportspeople. We need players that are strong, disciplined and will go hard at trainings and games but we don't need thugs. Foul mouths and dirty play have got absolutely nothing to do with tough players - maybe better defined as dirty players, than tough. There is nothing tough about condoning or dishing out common assault.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

*yawn*

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#343's yawn says it all,to most unless there's a fight there nothing worthwhile to watch!

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booga  
Years ago

can i start a magic thread because this is getting boring? at least with spadge and i going at each other people were entertained!!!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

no they weren't.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

we are over you two and your lovers tiffs......

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Alanis  
Years ago

With the response of a yawn shows exactly the point of this thread.

Yes, everyone has a responsibility to think about sportsmanship.

And sorry, a yawn doesn't cut it!

Grow up and understand that it is a problem that needs to be discussed in such away to work positively to solve it. If that means parents, coaches, players and referees need to all look at themselves and take on their own personal responsibility to ensure they are presenting themselves professionally and respectfully in the sport then that is what needs to happen.

Recognise that as a kid, seeing your parent being chucked out of the stadium or asked to behave properly is very embarrassing to some, to others- they simply learn from it and think it is okay to do the same. In exactly the same way a senior referee act can and will rub off on a junior referee and same for senior and junior players and coaches.

More so, if everyone involved in the game realises that people come to see a product of entertainment (and entertainment to the majority is not seeing whinging players or over officious officials, or coaches who think they are playing the game on the sidelines by yelling out at everyone 24/7) then the game would be presented better and more people would probably come and watch. More so, disposing of this layer... people will then be able to see the skillful and athletic game that is our great sport.

Again, a yawn doesn't cut it and shows a complete lack of respect to the sport itself. If everyone just yawned at the problem, the problem would be far worse than it is - that is saying something.

We already have enough yawners.
Turn over a new leaf and become a better role model!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

*yawn*

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Plenty of time to yawn when we lose more kids and have increasing byes because not enough players.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Booga , has your club got so many players that you don't need to take this seriously?

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booga  
Years ago

10 years ago u could pin a player to the wall unleash a verbal barage and send him out to rip a head off. these days the school system teaches kids that anger is an emotion that shouldn't be used.
so it all comes down to family values if my son got punched off the ball and he sooked about it he would be told "toughen up princess". if it was happening to one of my players in a game i would tell them if the refs aren't calling it do it aswell.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Hey, speak for yourself; Spadge, Booga......Begin.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Granted the school system is a politically correct over protecting swamp of rules that contributes to weakening of sport in Australia which many scribes suggest was the demise of the English county system but that doesn't mean we chuck the baby out with the bath water.
We need to clean up basketball and get rid of the thugs and the thugs coaches who send their kids out to 'mug' players.
if you were to tell your son to toughen up for an off the ball incident, you shouldnt be coaching as you dont get the concept.
Any off ball stuff should be a disqualification , not a tech and needs support from coaches not a 'show em how tough you are coach' who lets it slide.
Schools teach 'anger is an emotion that needs to be controlled and channelled' not only as you suggest 'not be used'. Good players need to do exactly this, channel their anger
use it to their advantage.
I see the top juniors every week get doubled by their opposition who belt them black and blue and the best of these don't retailiate anywhere but on the scorebook. This is what separates the best from the rest. What I'd like to see is disincentives in place where dirty play is an automatic 2 points and a free throw as a bonus and to get as many dirty juniors back on track , playing fairly as soon as possible.
My ides of a tough player is different to yours, as I see the kids who take the hits without responding as the great players and the ones that foul dirty as weaklings.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#5470 well said.....and spot on.
Booga - so easy to trivialise isn't it but your thug mentality just isn't the norm in society. There is nothing tough about slogging someone - it is cheap and cheapens the sport. All brawn,no brains comes to mind.

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booga  
Years ago

#5471 you are right society has changed, the meek have inherted the earth

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Anonymous  
Years ago

5500 - All brawn,no brains

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Booga, its called civilization!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

and an adjunct to above, you should definitely not be coaching- especially juniors!

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booga  
Years ago

no respect for anons, post a name or shut the hell up.
as for the all brawn no brain people who know me would be saying ....."yeh and your point is" i grew up in the north. no silver spoon in my mouth unlike some.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

we must have been neighbours then.. so your real name is booga, wow that is an amazing birth name? no respect for some one that uses a fictitious name either - seems no different than posting under anon if it isn't your real name......and given your very aggressive comment, if the hat fits, wear it. Agree with #5514, you have no place in coaching or working in this sport if you condone thuggery. And what has where you grew up got to do with anything? Lame

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booga  
Years ago

lol got to love dim wits, booga is my nickname has been since i was 15 so yeh more people no me as booga than my real name.
i don't condone thuggery but u play social in the north it's part of the game. i played in 4 social grand finals and had three canned because of all in brawl and one of them was mixed.
i have never in the whole time i have been coaching ever sent a player out to hit some one. i may of a couple of times sent a player in seniors out to protect a kid playing seniors, but that happens all the time ask any coach in seniors.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Booga, booga - you're back pedalling, careful you don't catch up with yourself going backwards. #5452 - seems like you are ready to get your son, your players and anyone else to take on the world with thuggery but then you kinda mellow a little in #5571 and would never...ever...
Ah yeah, great REAL nickname - have to say that I am disappointed with my REAL nickname though- every second person has got the same one. No originality in society anymore....
Also, I have played in the northern suburbs, in Adel and the eastern ' Burbs in different teams over a couple of sports and have to say, I haven't come across the full scale brawling (all brawn, no brains)as part of the game that you were proudly a part of. Tough, hard play in the course of the game sure - but that is there regardless of which side of the Torrens you have taken your toys to play at..

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booga  
Years ago

anon u have no idea about my son. i acuatly have to try and relax him with his bad sportsmanship. i have seen him at 8 y. o trash talk a full soccer team telling them they are going to whip 'em, laughing at them when they missed a goal, he even got sent off by his own coach because he was trashing them. i know this is not a good thing but it also pushed my son to beat the most well known club with some of the best skilled players in adelaide and beat them 4 nill.
badsport or competitive player

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Anonymous  
Years ago

YOU are my hero BOOGA

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REAL anon  
Years ago

Booga, you wrote #5452 - "family values if my son got punched off the ball and he sooked about it he would be told "toughen up princess". if it was happening to one of my players in a game i would tell them if the refs aren't calling it do it aswell." So in response to #5584, you have extolled your family values in the previous post but you are confusing me, you then say that "i know this is not a good thing" in reference to his behaviour??? Booga, if any kid has talent AND passion in any sport, they need a good coach who will teach him/her all the skills he/she needs and then he/she will achieve by tough hard play, not intimidation. Kids need to be playing sport and when they are little kids they need to more importantly ENJOY playing sport - can't do if you are being bullied or intimidated. Bad attitudes and chips on shoulders tend to stick and become misguided thuggery and elbows to the head in later years. Not acceptable in any area of life.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Booga in answer to your question about your son: 'bad sport or competitive player', if you don't know the answer to this please find out.
I know who you are and I know your bark is worse than your bite but it would be better if you thought through some of these things before publishing them on this forum.
Dirty play, dirty tactics, violence in sport and trash talking teams are not characteristics to be proud of and I don't think you think so either and I think you need to take a step back for awhile.

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