#125069 You are right - the coach should deal with it (which he failed to do because he didn't know how to deal with it) and yes it should be "in house" - and those "in the house" namely the club management / board should have been involved. But you are wrong - this does not "happen all the time" and being decked by a team mate off the ball has got nothing to do with "competitive trainings". This type of aggression would be assault out on the streets - I can't see it has a place in this great game and just brings the sport down.

We are a soft bunch of people nowadays aren't we. Back in the day it would have been

"Welcome to seniors young buck"

If you didn't get up and give it back you would have been heckled. If you took it and continued to play with out whinging you would have been respected. Look at the AFL. Watch some old tapes and look at the tribunal. They used to get two weeks for knocking a guy out with a punch (interstate match SA vs Victoria)

My first training at senior (ABA) level I was pushed, bumped, decked, hacked, dunked over with out the call of foul from the defence. When I called a foul as I believed I had fouled I was heckled for being soft.

These young guys expect everything on a platter. Good on the guy that put you on your arse. Pitty it didn't make you tougher and you just came and whinged on this forum.

So many assumptions:
1. this is not the player who was decked.
2. both players involved have been around at this level for a many years now and know how to mix it.

Getting pushed, bumped, decked, hacked, dunked in a fair hard training goes with a strong competitive training but off the ball etc., is low.
#084 Your point is a good one and basically answers the scenario put forward with your good old days AFL comparison - "Watch some old tapes and look at the tribunal. They used to get two weeks for knocking a guy out with a punch (interstate match SA vs Victoria)" So on this basis, you would fully support that if a player decked his team mate, left him practically out cold and coughing up blood, that just like the tough footballers, he should be banned for two weeks. I agree with you.

Didn't (rumor from good source) Bogut break a team mates nose in college and then stand over him and barate him about not training hard enough

baahahahahaaha #125086!

It is a joke to call basketball non-contact - never has been, never will be and as players that is accepted. I don't know of anyone at senior level that backs away from a training session or even a game where the intensity level is high and so they shouldn't, it fact these are some of the best training/game sessions. But seems to me that deliberate stuff off the ball is not in the spirit of the game / team sport. The lack of any accountability by the player concerned has made this coaching staff look a little unprofessional. What are their coaching credentials one wonders? And this is not an isolated incident, talking about this with some people, I have been told of another very similar situation in the past weeks and no doubt there are others over recent times. If the coaches can't control off the ball stuff, it makes it a little tough to expect the umps to if aggro boils over into a game.

#5136 Think you might be a little too far south east.

Also apologies to whoever else previously posted as ouch - did search after I wrote it.

Walk 5 miles?

When I was playing, we were only allocated one leg each. Walking was a luxury we just couldn't afford too much of.

Was it a wooden one with springs on the heel?

and did you train in pairs to get the best out of left hand and right hand moves..:-/

we are talking about an off the ball incident that would be considered assault on the street..
everyone who plays basketbal knows it is a CONTACT sport....we all love it that way, but not this sort of off the ball violence..wish i play still and post (#125093)...You 2 are 2 of the biggest tossers to ever post on this site...you said "Get over it son. You are with the big boys now" ...what an asolute DICKHEAD....get off this site if u are going to write sh*t like that!
You really are my hero BIG BOY!!!
Real basketball doesnt need wankers like you!!!

What an articulate piece of writing by Real Baller

My questions are:

Did the issue continue past the one elbow?

Did other players step in for you confront player in question?

If these answer no then get back up and give it back to them. Stop wasting your time posting/whinging on this forum and get back out there and show that you can take it.

I heard the same thing about the Pioneers too.
Was apparently between two SA boys who used to compete against each other...unfortunately no boxscore on this game so I couldn't see if he played 40 minutes!

Real Baller

Maybe we shoul ask the likes of Panther, Macdonald-Taylor, Hodges, Blight, Crothers to wear knee and elbow pads and ask the courts to belined by gymnastic floors.

You are an absolute tosser #5193 and thank god you don't play anymore cause I would guess that you used thuggery in place of any apparent skills. You sound like a disgruntled 'wanna be but never was quite'. Then maybe you are the person involved in this - is that why you are lamely justifying what reads as assault? It takes a lot more guts and intelligence for one not to lower themselves to your gutter street level. Seems that street behaviour is just a poor excuse for someone's inability to communicate on an intelligent level. But at least we all know how tough you are - so when you are out and about one day and someone gets a bit annoyed, without any more reason than they are having a bad day, with you and punches your lights out, good to know that you will bounce straight back up, even if you are seeing stars and bloodied, take it and not get all sooky and whingey to your mates (if you have any) at the next BBQ. Hey it could even be a badge of honor for you that you showed 'em!
Seriously, no reasonable person out there would find any off ball behaviour acceptable. Bumps, knocks etc all happen as we are training and in games but it is in the confines of the game and training - noone who seriously cares about any sport should condone such low tactics behind the "play". Seems to me that you have missed the point big time of fair play and sportsmanship but google it - there is plenty of information to get you up to speed.
Reading the posts, it isn't the person involved who has posted here anyway.
Seems to me that Real Baller has got a handle on the real issue.

Sorry wish I was playing still, as a coach and a player a team mate is still your team mate and I have never condoned hitting a team mate. Maybe an elbow to the chest at the most, but one thing I don't agree on is elbowing a team mate to the head. Not to say i've never seen it happened, but you do have to remember people's, this is a very competitive sport and trainings do fall under this nature of the beast and players do still get fired up at trainings!

#5214 What has this comment got to do with an incident, besides your poor attempt to trivialise, that is not in the best interests of basketball - don't see on this thread from the original post onwards that players have an issue with tough games or training. The issue seems to be the behind the play dirty tactics to a team mate and no coach action. Not acceptable at any level of any sport.

Hence why I asked those questions Panther and Ouchtoo. If nothing occurred after by team mates or by the player in question than he and they probably thought it was fair. If I went into a training and king hit another team mate surely the other players and coaches would get involved. They obviously didn't get involved and therefore thought it was fair game.

Will renig on one thing though, missed this part in first post.

"then walks out of training" - I was condoning tough play at Training and Games not king hitting someone then leaving training. This would be the same as walking into a milk bar and king hitting a granny because she got to the counter first then paying and walking out.

Now I know why my first few posts got heckled.

I take back this comment to
"Good on the guy that put you on your arse. Pitty it didn't make you tougher"

Will read the post fully next time.

Isn't the real issue about control. So a team mate can't control himself off the ball in a training session. When can he control himself? So when things are tight and the games on the line, it must be reasurring for the rest of the team to be totally unsure when the loose cannon is going to explode. Lucky team mates, glad I never had a team mate like that.

Even my little chicken brain can see that this incident could have been and should still be addressed by the coaching staff and club personnel if they want to retain any credibility and to be taken seriously as a professional club.

Player:
1 Suspended for one to two games.
2 Has to undertake independent counselling before being allowed back in the team.
3 fined his weekly pmatch payment (if he is paid)

Coaching Staff:
1 Have to undertake counselling to get some idea of their duty of care, the responsbility they have to their supporters, the club, the sponsors and the professionalism needed to lead men
2 fined two weeks payments
3 put on notice that their jobs are on the line

Only with some affirmative action can this matter be put to rest and this great sport of basketball can show all sports that we are serious about dealing with intentional off the ball bad behaviour.

I'd add to that - the player should stand up like a man in front of the whole team and genuinely apologise for his low act to the whole team and also be put on notice that his position in the team is on the line.

#5291 - sure but if as written, it needs to be dealt with and put to rest and not ignored by the coaching staff or as previously stated, just when is this loose cannon going to fire again.

Totally unacceptable - but full circumstances need to be taken into account - Whichever CLub this is needs to address and investigate this issue now speaking to all concerned to get the full facts and act accordingly and yes reiterate Coaches Duty of Care to Coaches involved.

No-one on this thread knows if there had been ongoing issues between the 2 players involved - whether there was provocation be it physically or verbally,

Leave it to the Club to sort out and to the original poster if you have concerns that this has not bee fully investigated contact your Club and make the appropriate enquiries

Was it Daniel Chick and Andrew Embley???

Probably tweedle dee and tweedle dum - but what does that really matter to us who it was. It would seem that the original post was more to do with the principle of the issue that needed to be aired. I for one have found this to be a good thread because it has shown that basketball followers for the most share a sense of what is fair and sportsmanlike and a degree of unity in what we can not let creep in to our game at any level, which is lowlife behaviour.