Anonymous
Years ago

Netball announces a super league


"A NEW trans-Tasman netball competition featuring 10 teams from Australia and New Zealand will start next year.

The Tasman Trophy Netball League replaces Australia's Commonwealth Bank Trophy and New Zealand's National Bank Cup with Netball Australia and Netball New Zealand confirming today it would start in April 2008.

The new competition will have five teams from each country, with 69 games played over 17 weeks.

"The Tasman Trophy is a revolutionary competition that will change the future of netball, and women's sport, in Australia," Netball Australia president Noeleen Dix said.

"This is a significant step towards the sport becoming professional and we are looking forward to working with all of our stakeholders to build a profitable and competitive netball league."

Netball Australia has invited state and territory member organisations to submit an expression of interest for participating in the new competition. " foxsports.com.au


Interested to note that only five of the current Australian teams will be in the new league. Thou i have no interest in netball at all, isn't this kind of what the NBL is trying to do but with different Asian countries?

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Nick  
Years ago

I hope not because the NBL should stay "AUSTRALIAN".

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fess  
Years ago

interesting to see where they play the games.etsa park only holds 3200 and i think they are looking at far bigger crowds than that,the dome or the ent. centre probably get the gig.would be a laugh if the dome got the netball when the lightning are looking at the netball stadium to play their games!!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

yes fess - that just about sums up the situation doesnt it!! LOL

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I am at a loss to see how Netball can pull such crowds.

It's a shocking spectator sport.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Its great spectator sport, especially at an elite level. Basketball is in more trouble than everyone thinks.

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Dr Bullshit  
Years ago

Netball is a shocking spectator sport, the most predictable game at teh professional level. The fact is that the team with the centre pass should score every single time...wheres the fun in that!?

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4th Spazzy  
Years ago

Netball...what a snorefest!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Saying netball is boring is about as dumb as it gets. People need to do more for basketball than can other sports as netball already get more than its fair share of our better athletes.

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123abc  
Years ago

I have been to two netball matches. Both finals, both interesting. I got free tickets that's the only reason why i went.

I don't watch the netball on ABC because that's boring.

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123abc  
Years ago

69 matches to be broadcast on Fox Sports and SkySports NZ LIVE.

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The me gen  
Years ago

Yaawn, lawn bowls any one?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

All you guys who cant see how this is going to challenge womens basketball are the reason basketball remains a non event in terms of Australian sport.
Money will now flow to netball and netballers will at last get remuneration which means a direct challenge to basketball. Wake up.
We will lose even more girls to netball. Only morons would consider this a non event.

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The me gen  
Years ago

(#123845)sorry, I dont agree with your comment. Niether sports are well sponsored; however Bball would be way ahead of netball in regards to spectator appeal.

Bring it on... cant wait to say "We told you so"

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lockstock  
Years ago

The me gen - for your information netball is the sport with the highest participation rate of any for juniors in our country - it must be appealing to someone.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Then why do 10 times more girls play netball?

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Dr Bullshit  
Years ago

Because its a stereotype. WNBL games get more interest than the state league netball.

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Fiji  
Years ago

Although I prefer basketball, I think Netball is still a good game to watch, and many of bballs elite girls actually play both.

So is the going to be a threat, I think so. If Netball can make it more proffessional and pay players, there is every chance that this decision will have a direct flow on to bball.

But what I find interesting on this forum sometimes is the narrowness of views, with little or no fact.

Netball (i.e the Thunderbirds)have continued to draw larger crowds year in year out than Lightning.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Netball has the better central venue , a more professional body overseeing it, a wider pool of talent and now has money being invested in it and yet 'head in the sand' comments still prevail.
Netball will pose a serious theat to basketball if enough money is invested in it and a career path is excavated.
More people play it than basketball in Australia and like soccer it matters little where basketball sits world wide when you are growing up in Australia. Comments on this forum denigrating Netball seem strange given the possibilities of the netball threat and Basketball Australia have reason to be nervous.
IMO, It would be much easier to market the athletic abilities and bodies of netballers than their counterparts in basketball.

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The me gen  
Years ago

(#123851)lockstock, Im never going to argue the particapation point; however I can name some WNBL past and present players from the top of my head that are still household names in Oz.

With netball, Filkie (sorry re spelling)comes to mind; maybe that Liz what ever her name is that is on some tv commercials, but not even in the same stratosphere as Bball; LJ world wide(need I say more)Sporn, Timms, Brogan, ..... I could list another 5-6 women that are well known across Oz by people that dont really follow the sport.

I hope for netballs sake it achieves all they want it to achieve; however trans tasman comps (including NBL)tend to bleed cash without good sponsorship.

Good luck, they are going to need it.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

The me gen says it all, so bloody egotistical that he or she doesn't even know what the problem is.

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fess  
Years ago

dont be fooled about the crowds at thunderbird games,only sell out they had last season was against the swifts.interestingly all tbird games are played on friday nights so that they dont class with the regular state league comp yet they still only manage to get about 1500 there,when you look at the number of kids playing netball against those playing basketball this isnt a good turn out,maybe in proportion to what the lightning draw to home games.it would be interesting to see the percentages of registered junior players against attendance figures ,probably find that basketball would come out in front

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Anonymous  
Years ago

fess, how many at a lightning game, 500 tops when at wayville and they tried the dome as a second billing on the sixerscard with no overall attendance increase for the games.
So if your getting 3 times as many to a thunderbirds game, I fail to see the significance of proportional discussions.
Netball will win out uless BSA and BA get their act together.

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until netball gets an erin phillips, jess foley and sammy woosnam - i'm with vince and the lightning

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fess  
Years ago

what i am getting at is that netball has such a huge participation at junior level and has for as long as i can remember but its not translating to big crowds at the elite level of the sport,yes i can see why you would consider netball a threat but while our crowds at the lightning have been stable the netball crowds have been in decline,dont forget it was only a couple of years ago that netball had 2 teams playing at that level and both teams drew higher crowds then compared to what only one team does now

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Fiji  
Years ago

Fess wake up and smell the roses!!

Netball continually outdraws bball in paying spectators. Participation is important yes, but only because it means MORE corporate dollars.

In other words in case you missed it, the more people pay to watch each game + the more participants = the greater the likelihood of long term success.

There worst crowd last year for the Thunderbirds was better than Lightnings best.

What are you missing!!

If this succeeds bball is under huge threat.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Fess,given the low numbers turning out for state trials in BBall, I think its basketball that has the issues.
The sixers coach is enough for a significant few to not continue attending and the players have no star appeal.
SA continually dawdles along hoping things will get better and all the while, other sports go ahead of us.
The success of Adelaide United is also a threat and the poor perception of basketball here in SA is of a second string sport hobbling along with no direction.
BSA and BA have promised much and delivered nothing new and we have drop off rates that will be increased by the advent of Netball's bold initiative.
The basketball world may know the names you mentioned but to most they are non events in a non event sport.
If basketball wants to gain success it needs to be procative, set agendas and not remain sitting on its hands ot it will continue to attract the second string athletes who couldnt cut their footy or netball or whatever.
Junior BBall is below par as a district comp where clubs come before development, heat policies cant be agreed on, games are scheduled in the boon docks under the guise of spreading success yet we are playing in country areas, like MT Barker and Gawler. How long before the authorities wake up to the fact that they are responsible for the decline of their sport by not having a central areana to host pure district comps? DIV 1 teams should all play at the central venue which would rid the comp of stupid distances in a world of excessively priced petrol.Its supposed to be an elite district sport!
Basketball will continue to reduce in numbers despite the claims of the mighty clubs who boast their 50 and 60 teams of Div 88's as long as the directions remain blinkered.
Netball will succeed because they dare to 'do'.
Junior sport is the growing fields of basketball and its in drought and we need to feed the parents who support their kids with direction and hope and value for money for them to continue. At present parents are the last people considered by bSA and BA and it will turn out to be their achilles heel.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

anon,

Nice way to push your own agenda onto a topic that has nothing to do with what your talking about.


And please tell me one sport which has a central venue for all its competitions? Apart from Netball, every sport runs home and away based junior and senior competitions apart from one. I hardly think that is a reason why basketball is struggling.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

They don't play country venues in a metro comp and what's my agenda?.

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fess  
Years ago

im not saying that b/ball doesnt have issues but as someone who has been involved at the netball they have seen the crowds declining at the elite level now for two years,if we want to make a true comparison on crowd sizes lets look at the 36er crowds against the netball crowds and who comes out in front.the nbl is the premier b/ball comp in australia not the wnbl so who then draws the bigger crowds.i know the 36er crowds were lower this year but getting a winning side back on court and the crowds will lift again.the t/birds are getting smaller crowds and they have never finished lower than 3rd.also with the soccer ,they have a good package but their crowd averages were down on last year and they coulnd sell otu the only final they held.i dont have any involvment at club level to know the woes the district clubs are facing but have heard there are many issues.netball will always pose some threat but it has been around for alot longer than womens b/ball

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Anonymous  
Years ago

fess,
You cant compare apples with oranges by comparing thunderbirds with the 36ers. IMO, the 36ers are faced with more than a few problems in their own right, but the issue is women's sport and the comparison with netball and BBall.
My point is more the competition to bball in this state is always disregarded and very little proactive is done to promote the game.
Fewer older girls are staying in the game and most U21 comps are a farce and senior women is well below par.
There is no competition in the ABL?ABA womens comp and most teams make up the numbers for the few , very few, top teams.If netball starts a viable and rewarding comp at the elite level, many athletes with choice, will choose netball over BBall because of that procativity.
I would not like that to happen and Im critical of BSA and BA for sitting on their hands. I also see the future of BBall starting with the juniors in a stronger and more real district comp.
If I have an agenda it is to see BBall become a better product and sold to the buyers, the parents, in a more solid package as now it is so all over the place that the parents give up and influence the child's decisions.
Many don't see any problems and continue to say , its always been like this and always will be, but I feel that is to ignore all the warning signs that are lit up for us to see.
If more sports are out there and more choices that require less effort by the mums and dads then they will take them. If petrol keeps going up and the district comp ignores the cost factor of travelling huge distances, from Mt Barker to Gawler to Southern then simple economics will force people out.
Many of the talented juniors I come across don't play because of these factors and others and I do see this as reflecting poorly on our sport which by any standard is an expensive sport to play.
Seniors have no interest in the junior problems despite being subsidised by junior participation and if juniors continue to attract more div 5's than div 1's the real growth of BBALL is Zero.
Any discussions I have had on this topic are responded to by the "she'll be right mate' attitude and 'look how strong sturt and F'ville, norwood are'.
I cant ever remember any male saying he enjoyed women's basketball or met many who went to womens or girls games so if men's basketball is unsupportive of the women's game , where's the future?
Surely a higher premium should be placed on women's bball by the BSA and BA.

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fess  
Years ago

anon 124163 you will find that it is the same across nearly every sport that from probably 18-21 you lose so many players.go to etsa park on a saturday during winter and most are young girls,you get a few more at state league who are older but having had some involvment most clubs in netball have trouble retaining players through that age group.as far as entertainment goes the state league always play a game as a curtain raiser to the tbirds but as you only get a 4 min break at half time they have to find something that fits into a 3 min period.so apart from the game itself there isnt that greater entertainment package. i know we all become very protective of our own sport but all sport is in trouble these days,whether its country footy where more teams need to merge each year,basketball,cricket,netball etc.i tend to think that the problem isnt so much losing players from one sport to another but losing them to sport altogether.our changing lifestyles make it harder to stay involved due to work now eating into what was traditionally our leisure time,so many in the age group discussed would be at uni and working on a casual basis and when do they get most their shifts? sat and sun.my daughter faces this dilema as she constantly has to work both days of the w/end.yes we all need to work harder to keep our sports bouyant but our changing society keeps making this task harder and harder

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Netball....yaaawn! Lawn bowls anyone?

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I have had to "endure" my daughter playing netball, as that is what you do for your kids, but I have to say every time, thats EVERY time I have been at ETSA park (or what ever its called) I speak with 3-4 other parents who cannot wait for their kids games to end because they find the game soooooooooooooooo boring!

Thankfully the duaghter has given it the flick, why? In her words its "to easy & not as much fun as Bball"

Good luck netball, I hope it works for you.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Yeah and a Div 4/5 boy or girls basketball game is so exciting!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

(#124350) I would take a Div 4/5 boy or girls basketball game any day of the week over a game that has multiple players on the court, but only a couple from each team can actually score.

Also whats the deal with signaling the end of a netball game, doesnt the time keeper actually have to catch the eye of the ump; interesting and a little quaint, dont you think?

I hear they torture POW's these days by making them watch state netball games!

Yep give me div4/5 any day of the week.

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Anonymous  
Years ago

#538
Both games are fantastic, take your attitude to the stands because you obviously don't or shouldn't play either. You win the small award!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

I will add it to my collection, thank you.

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In the Know  
Years ago

No matter what you think, Netball kicks basketballs ass. When you think of it so do most sports!

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Anonymous  
Years ago

Netball is a way better spectator sport than basketball. I'm sorry but I don't want to watch 5 girls run backwards and forwards down the court from one hoop to the other with no actual defence or play until they reach the key. At least in netball it is a true team sport with skill and tactics required to actually get the score, and every team member participates!

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