Comments like that hardly encourage others to submit ideas that might be useful...

yes - why not !

Pro/rel is not a concept that would benefit the senior competition. As it is not primarily a development competition.

Is there any confirmation that centrals arnt fielding a team - or are we still speculating?

would a combined state 18's and 20's team with players not required for aba for own club be worth while like a mini ais team locally. would strengthen players for nationals and help clubs produce quality players for there program next season.

why not get the country girls to play for them?

18 State players already have too much on their plate, they train twice each weekend as well as their junior commitments. Don't see why they should be made to do extra wok just becasue 1 club is unable to get their sh#t together. And the U20 State players would all be their respective ABA team. Not considering the 5 that are in Canberra at the AIS.

Keep trying. I makes me think that most people have no idea.

Vader
An Academy style team in the girls may have some merit.
It would be pitched at exactly the right level.
What do others think?

Would love to see a development type team as the men do have. Just would need a sponsor that would support it like the Stanford Grand supports the men's team.

What is the Stanford budget / sponsorship worth?

The money is definately the big issue.
The setting up of a team etc would be no problems.
Try this:
*each club nominates a max of two players/ year.
* 1 player minimum to come from each club for the squad, all players to play a min of 5 games / season
* Maximum time in program 2 years.
* Limit to u/23.
* Clubs can recall a player after each season
*Each club to subsidise to a set figure enough to cover training.
* one Team training / 1 individual /week. Train once with the club.
*60 trainings @2hrs $60/hr total $7440
* Coaches $5000/year
*Uniforms and medical - Basket ball Adelaide $2000

Any merit for the develpment of womens basketbal??
Who knows, probably just wasting time this afternoon!

I remember seeing the "Adelaide Opals" play a few yrs back now. I think the other 4 people in the crowd enjoyed the game too.

(#117512)
Yeah it has hair on it.
Some clubs could easily pluck 2 players and not weaken the senior program, others...?

Its the game stuff which would be of the greatest benefit IMO . Its players 8-13 within a squad that this would need to catch. They could really benefit in that jump from role player to having the expectation to make the game happen.

...Only ideas really, couldnt hurt to try with the space created this year.

And we probably do have better things to spend money on.

Cost was $1650/ club / season. Cheap or expensive?

From those denying the idea of an Academy-style team to fill the gap, what's the solution? Byes for the year, or is there something else worth trying?

#117517)

*Each club to subsidise to a set figure enough to cover training.

You shouldnt pay money, not for that reason, it provides a NEW opportunity.

This could really have a new Thread, we are off topic.

My first statement to discuss this ides was THE MONEY. So couldnt agree more.
Yes am am not really suggesting it is plausible in our State.

Did you know there is Youth League in all Eastern states?
We dont have the population to sustain that, but one youth team would match our player base and help all clubs...Maybe??

vader i know u have a wealth of talent at your club. what about the role players playing second fiddle behind the stars of the team would this alow those players a shot at aba that they might not of got.

Well lets hope that after posting this message that some of the proposals are taken on board and discussed by executives at the ABA level otherwise there will be a loss of revenue for all clubs concerned if the bye option was the only choice.

There are no players at Sturt that would benfit from this type of program.

a/ There are already in the ABA squad.

or b/ They are not good enough for ABA level yet.

or c/ They are U18 and have year 12 study, State, SASI and junior commitments, which are more important than some academy type program.

Vader
Is it possible for a club to have not 1 person!!!
Only 8 players are rotated in an ABA squad.
That means number 9-16 are Junior(u/18).
The others would be the class of player who would benefit.
Every club would have a group of 4-6 of these players.

Dr Damage,

I would contend that over an ABA season a coach needs 10 - 12 players. With National commitments to Marino and Nixon, injuries to players and work/study commitments anything less is hazzardous to a teams performance.

Plus a good senior program involves a strong reserves program (somthing which all womens programs - Sturt included - struggle with) to maintain continuity from week to week and year to year.

This means that a squad of 14 - 15 is needed. I would doubt that any players not in this squad would benefit.

Gee, I am a bit surprised at that. Truly.


As a player, am I going to benefit from 20-25mins on court or 2-5 mins per game.
For me , a year of that would have been perfect at 19 years of age.
I had to sit and wait( 2 years)for retirement of a veteran player when I was coming through, maybe something like this would have helped?

Think of it as natural selection.
The weak fall be the wayside and become extinct. The strong adapt better, get a greater share of the resources, and prosper as a species.
Maybe we need LESS clubs and don't need to prop up the inefficient and ineffective.
Harsh, but so is natural selection. Its a jungle out there.

Dr Damage

You are comparing Oranges and Apples.

Not too many senior WOMENS programs have players sitting on the bench for a couple of years if they are capable. Sturt started 2 players under the age of 21 last season and had 3 U20 players on their bench. 2 of these players had regualr minutes.

So who would you suggest makes the team.

Sector 7G, that attitude is a part of the problem.

District teams are placed pretty smartly around SA. They are based in areas geographically and demographically to catch the most amount of players and establish strong community links etc. I think it would be great to see 10 Strong, Successful District Clubs stong and prosper. Loose one or 2 of them to "natural selection" then we start over again. Down to 8 then what happens to those bottom 2? Loose Eastern, Southern and Centrals all together and this is just not going to be good. If there was going to be any clubs fall by the wayside it should be an inner city club. Hopefully those people would then move on to help the clubs in the key basketball growth markets (Southern, Centrals, Eastern)

Get the junior competition right (regionalisation for the kiddies, pro/rel (with the right controls)) and the strength in ABL will follow.

Dr Damage your philosphy is a good one I think. But realisticlly, logistically, reward for investment of time and money is it really viable??????

Everyone seems to be forgetting one thing.

This is the most logical thing booga has EVER contributed to the forum.

i have my moments thank u eml see u sunday

If Centrals have to withdraw why not play 3 complete rounds for the women. Thats only what 24 rounds? Lot better the 16 rounds that would be a joke.

Ivory Tower
I hear what you're saying but how long do we have to wait?
Centrals have some things stacked against them but I'd suggest that for a long time they've had some tremendous advantages in terms of population that they have frankly squandered.
Yes I know their socio demographic has some difficulty but no different to down south where they have been tremendously successful in both juniors and seniors.
It may be a fact that there are too many Div 1 clubs. The talent is diluted and the competition weakened. There is enough evidence that suggests this is the case eg Centrals and W'ville were pretty uncompetetive last year. I'm not saying as a club they should fold but its no big deal if they don't field a senior women's team.
Let them work their demographic advantages, build a strong junior program and in 10 years time they will have a strong senior program.
Its not rocket science.

Big Kahuna just how do you run three complete rounds for the women.

Sturt, Forestville, North, Norwood and other women's teams are locked into playing each week in a double header to the women.

to run 3 rounds for the women you'd have women in stand alone games all over the place and as most clubs rely on volunteers from doorkeeping to floor wiping it makes more sense to run the games as double headers. Club people can then watch the men play after the women without travelling all over the country side to see both games.